Rabbi Susan Talve probably had no idea what she was getting herself into when she provided hospitality for a group of dissident women claiming to be ordained Catholic priests.National Catholic Reporter : Two Catholic women are being ordained by Roman Catholic Womenpriests here Nov. 11, prompting outrage from Catholic officials -- outrage that, surprisingly, is directed less at the women aspiring to the Catholic priesthood, or at the movement ordaining them, than toward a rabbi who agreed to host the event.
The women to be ordained are Elsie Hainz McGrath, a retired writer and editor for a Catholic publishing house, and Rose Marie Dunn Hudson, a former teacher. Bishop Patricia Fresen, who was for many years a Dominican nun, ordained the women as deacons Aug. 12 and will perform the ceremony here. The women are among a growing number of deacons, priests and bishops ordained in the Roman Catholic Womenpriests movement. Based on responses to formal invitations, Hudson said organizers are expecting 300 to 400 to attend.
Noting that ordaining women is forbidden by Catholic canon law, St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke wrote to Rabbi Susan Talve, senior rabbi at Central Reform Congregation -- the synagogue host -- urging her to revoke her offer of hospitality. Meanwhile, the director of the archdiocesan Office of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, Fr. Vincent A. Heier, has excoriated Talve for her role, likening it to a Catholic pastor inviting a Holocaust denier to speak, and describing Talve’s action as a major setback to the area’s strong, hard-won Jewish-Catholic relations.
The president of the St. Louis Rabbinical Association, Rabbi Mark Fasman finds it inappropriate for a synagogue to host an event no Catholic parish would allow and, though stressing that he speaks only for himself, acknowledged that among rabbis he is not alone. He is worried that what should be a Catholic issue -- whether women can be ordained -- will provoke a backlash against Jews.
Responding to Catholic concerns, the Jewish Community Relations Council released a statement Oct. 26 distancing itself and other Jewish congregations from Talve’s decision, stressing that Judaism is non-hierarchical and congregations are autonomous. “It is our hope that an isolated act on the part of a single congregation will not be allowed to disrupt the long tradition of continued dialogue and mutual respect between our Jewish and Roman Catholic communities,” the statement said.
The fracas is one that Ronald Modras, professor of theological studies at St. Louis University, finds both fascinating and profoundly symbolic. “It’s a remarkable demonstration of sisterhood,” he said. “You have women of two faiths, Catholic and Jewish, standing together against patriarchal exclusion.” He referred to Talve’s risking the ire of Catholic officials and rabbinical colleagues, both groups predominantly male, and the Catholic women’s bucking Catholic law.
Talve, founding rabbi of Central Reform Congregation, a former president of the St. Louis Rabbinical Association and herself active in interfaith affairs, is the most prominent female rabbi in St. Louis. Her urban congregation is noted for its inclusiveness and commitment to social justice. While Talve said she regrets the pain her action has caused to Catholic and other Jewish leaders, she is not backing down.
“These two lovely women who say they want to serve their community approached us. One of our core values is hospitality and providing a shelter of peace for those who are looking for a safe place. It seemed in keeping with these values, which come right from the Torah, to provide a space for them,” she said.
This isn’t the first time Heier, the archdiocesan official, has found Talve’s values misguided. “She has done a number of things in the past few years that I think are borderline in terms of sensitivity, pushing an agenda I don’t always agree with.” In this latest action, he said, “she has moved beyond the bounds.”
For Talve, the surprise is not such anger, but the number of positive responses she has received. Just as St. Louis Jews take differing stances on Talve’s decision -- she secured the unanimous vote of her board and the support of her congregation before agreeing to serve as host -- many Catholics have come forward to thank her for sharing her sacred space. “I have received dozens of letters, scores of e-mails and many phone calls from Catholics -- women religious especially -- who are in support of our hosting the ordination and understand the values that are guiding us,” she said. “It is painful and sad for me that there are people in the Catholic community who are offended by this.”
Talve, while refraining from offering an opinion on what the Catholic church should do, wishes the women well. “I understand the call of women who want to serve in this way, and I believe women have something special to give. I have experienced this in my own life.”
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At Sunday's event I found myself questioning: Is being inclusive something we think we will just arrive at, or is it something we strive to have in our lives on an ongoing basis, putting aside our differences and celebrating our similarities in an atmosphere of peace and acceptance?
For some people, like Rabbi Susan, doing the right thing comes easier than for most of us. We might think about what others might think or say; sometimes letting our egos get in the way. I've watched her pray with the utmost care to be about moving forward in serving her community with holy intent. She weighs everything before making hard decisions she is well aware will affect those around her.
This past Sunday, I was immersed in sounds of inclusiveness vocalized by the multi-denominational choir on one side of me and a smorgasbord of chatter from interfaith volunteers in our kitchen on the other side. Looking around the room, I could visualize the truth of this interfaith event as the choir sang "All Are Welcome." I felt a little closer to everyone around me when the choir sang a litany of our shared ancestors; the same ones we mention each Shabbat: Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and Miriam. I looked around again and realized our shelter of peace was filled with those seeking refuge for the holy intent found in their hearts. I said a silent prayer asking God to give these women the strength they will need for the road they are about to walk down.
I realized my purpose for being there was to continue my education, witness a holy event experienced through my Jewish faith and interaction with other faiths to create inclusiveness on a regular basis, and learn how to walk in the ways of my words. There is power in our words and how we choose to use them. When we say we are inclusive, we don't get to say… "Except for…"
I can retell Sunday's events only from my perspective of a Jew by Choice. I feel it has enriched my spiritual growth to see our words put into actions supporting our values. While we all see God from different perspectives, there is only one Source of all Creation and we are all part of that Oneness. Acceptance of our differences would seem to be the key to… Shalom.
p.s. By Archbishop denouncing these women he gave up all right and association with them so when they asked CRC for the use of their holy space, the issue and request was between CRC and these women. He wouldn't be concerned if a Baptist asked to use our temple and this didn't concern him either by his own actions. He can't have it both ways; or maybe he thinks he can! It is truly a sad situation that someone professing to be a teacher of God's will would forget the most important rule of God's: treat your neighbor as you would want to be treated. I guess he wasn't in class the day they taught compassion, forgiveness, understanding, and unconditional love. Look at all he missed!
>" I guess he wasn't in class the day they taught compassion, forgiveness, understanding, and unconditional love"
Actually, he was in that class. Out of compassion the archbishop sought to prevent these women from committing a grievous act of disobediance and puiblically separating themselves from Christ's Church. After their disobediance, the archbishop in another act of compassion offered the women forgiveness and the unconditional love of the Christ's forgiveness. These were rejected by the women. The archbishop shows exemplerary understanding of the matter.
from where I'm standing, he saught to control them. So...where does threatening them with excommunication come into all this? Under forgiveness, love? For that matter where does threatening every Catholic he has with excommunication come into practicing the Catholic Religion? "What would Jesus have done" seems to be the phrase everyone is using lately - so why not now? I can't think of anyone in Jesus' time he excommunicated or threatened with excommunication? Could you name an example where Jesus taught that? Or an example where Jesus taught control or threatened the good people to make them stay on the straight and narrow? I'm not attempting to be nasty here. The visiable head of the church is supposed to set an example for all catholics as well as not, correct?
So what is the church attempting to bring across by threatening people? I can't understand this way of christian thinking at all - enlighten me please.
Some of what I'm reading here reminds me the stuff on this blog. Yikes!
To which bishop did these women profess "obedience" to? To which group of the faithful will they be assigned? Which laws are they subject to?
These women have turned their backs on the Church by their actions, and only a fool could conclude they are unaware of it. What they have chosen for their future is much like the place where they broke faith - no church at all.
to answer as best I can: 1) they pledge obedience to God. 2) to those who believe in God 3)God's laws.
I find it strange that no one has answered my questions yet posted on November 19th.
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Mspossibility, it is no surprise, since you are Jewish (or Jew by Choice, if that is different), that you are unfamiliar with the biblical Jesus, and seem to be more familiar with the pop-culture Jesus who is basically Mr. Nice Guy. The examples of Christ's stern denunciations are so frequent that they do not bear exemplifying. Certainly His message is one of forgiveness, but forgiveness with repentance. Go and sin no more seems to be forgotten. On many occasions, Christ threatens or promises eternal damnation. People seem to forget that part.
There is a great misunderstanding of excommunication - as if it were a penalty that is imposed by the Church. It is not. It is a penalty that is automatically incurred by the sinner, and it is one of self-removal from the communion of the faithful. When the Church "recognizes" excommunication, it typically does so in cases where the sinner is publicly and defiantly insisting on practicing the outward forms of the faith while they are in this state of disunion.
It is in the sacrament of the Eucharist that excommunication is most noticed by the non-Catholic public. But it is indeed an act of mercy to deny communion to such sinners. The admonition "he who eats of the body and drinks of the blood without discerning the body and blood of Christ eats and drinks judgment upon himself" is the clearest statement of the further and grievous sin incurred by those who participate in communion while in a state of mortal sin. To deny such people communion is not only to refuse to be complicit in this sin, it is to provide them with further pressure to repent.
Now, to a non-Catholic, this probably sounds like hogwash. But this is the faith of the Church. A circle cannot be a square. A Muslim cannot simultaneously be a Jew. A woman cannot be an ordained Catholic priest. They are mutually exclusive conditions. The Catholic Church is not a social club or a political action committee. It does not exist to further the self-realization of its members. The Church exists for the worship of God and the salvation of souls. This mission cannot be confounded with people's wants, desires, or prejudices.
I hope I have answered your questions as respectfully as you asked them, and that other more learned Catholics don't find too much fault with my catechesis.
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